Curse

KMVRanger · Jun 25, 2008, 01:11 PM // 13:11

Will this affect minions and spirits as well? Which begs the underlying question: Can minions and spirits achieve critical hits?

Thanks.

malko050987 · Jun 25, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

It does affect minions. And yes they do have a chance to critical.

Edit: After reading the wiki critical hit article, it appears that you can get a critical hit with a wand, but the probability is REALLY low. I don't think spirits have physical attacks, but things such as anguish or pain might count as wand attacks, in which case they have a chance to get a critical hit. The Fury spirit too.

I have NO idea if spirits are affected by shouts, though.

Editedit: This is interesting: http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit#Attack_Spirits

KMVRanger · Jun 25, 2008, 01:22 PM // 13:22

That makes sense. I had Masters set up as a Sabaway MM bomber and was spamming GFTE (54%) in Grand Court. Things went pretty well even with a few party members dying (Masters not included). I think the shout and the minions leveled the playing field.

I've had a paragon char for a while but rarely play her. I JUST read the "basics" thread and was impressed with the info I had never considered. I bought a ton of skills and created a build based on the suggested stuff.

I think I'm addicted.

I also used Focused anger to allow constant casting of GFTE.

Thanks.

Draginvry · Jun 28, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

GFTE affects minions, and possibly spirits.

However, spirit skills don't work like normal attacks. Thus, they can't achieve critical hits. So it doesn't really matter if they get the shout or not.

Improvavel · Jun 28, 2008, 02:13 AM // 02:13

And minions criticals arent as powerful as player ones.

DarkSpirit · Jun 28, 2008, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Improvavel

And minions criticals arent as powerful as player ones.

Even so, they are still generally higher than minions normal attacks.

deluxe · Jun 28, 2008, 05:19 AM // 05:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by malko050987

Edit: After reading the wiki critical hit article, it appears that you can get a critical hit with a wand,

I have a screenie of doing 43+17 (old seperate conjure) damage with a 15^50 wand :P

Shemsu Anpw · Oct 17, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Tangent: I have seen TNTF affect minnons as well. Well at east seen the healing effect work on them. this wouls seem to make shouts even nicer all around.

Richardt · Oct 17, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Since noone has said I'll say it:

Minions count as Allies for purposes of shouts/chant. Thus if the shout/chant says it affects allies, then it'll affect minions/NPCs/Pets/minipets (yes minipets count!). However, minions don't have attack skills-thus chants like Anthem of Weariness, while it affects minions, would really do nothing.

And Shemsu-that's wrong. TNtF affects party members, and heals said party members. Thus it would not affect minions as they're allies, not party members. The healing you're seeing must be coming from another source.

Luminarus · Oct 18, 2008, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richardt

Since noone has said I'll say it:

Minions count as Allies for purposes of shouts/chant. Thus if the shout/chant says it affects allies, then it'll affect minions/NPCs/Pets/minipets (yes minipets count!). However, minions don't have attack skills-thus chants like Anthem of Weariness, while it affects minions, would really do nothing.

And Shemsu-that's wrong. TNtF affects party members, and heals said party members. Thus it would not affect minions as they're allies, not party members. The healing you're seeing must be coming from another source.

He may have been thinking about fall back, because I know that atleast used to effect minions, dunno for sure now though

Richardt · Oct 19, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Fall Back affects minions.

Chthon · Oct 19, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

I have no idea about spirits.

As for minions, they can achieve critical hits, but they are different from player crits.
A player crit gives you an automatic max roll for your weapon damage, plus -20 to your target's armor. A minion still gets the -20 to the target's armor, but they do not the automatic max roll for weapon damage.

Shemsu Anpw · Oct 21, 2008, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Sorry about that I must have looked at them the same time they were healed as I the shout ending on myself(party). Thank you for the correction.

spirit of defeat · Oct 27, 2008, 12:11 PM // 12:11

Shout's that affect Allies also affect minion and spirits

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Originally Posted by malko050987

I don't think spirits have physical attacks, but things such as anguish or pain might count as wand attacks, in which case they have a chance to get a critical hit. The Fury spirit too.

Spirit's attack with "skills" target an attacking spirit you will so it activating a skill. I don't know if what kind of skills it are. but I don't think it are attack skill's.
And only attack skill's can get critical hits.